Curse

snipes · Jun 19, 2005, 10:11 AM // 10:11

PLZ dont flame but just take my following statement in and think about it. If you disagree with me play for another month or two and then reply to my post.

Whats really sad is that for the PvP portion of the game; most good players have left the game for more exciting newer games like battlefield 2 DAoC (not new but still has less grind and more competetive PvP). Guild Wars was great, but the PvP portion of the game has gone down hill fast. There are barely in tombs districts left. Back in betas and even after release there were tons of districts now theres 8 at most. Most of the top guilds have stopped palying. Theres almost no competition in GvG. Since the betas there hasn't been anything new added to PvP; i think everyone expected more from A.net, but they don't seem to listen or have just ignored the fact that the PvP is lacking. I've had connections with people from so many guilds, for anyone who argue against me; you are just ignorant. I am not saying the game sucks, but that the PvP of the game had so much potential to be great, but A.net just hasn't come through for us. every update they have done since the release has broken my heart. they have done one or two things to make the game better, but all in all they haven't done anything. I don't know what to do. I think i will go paly some Battlefield now its almost done dling.

=HT=Ingram · Jun 19, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I have to agree... they seem to be doing more to stabilize the PvE community because of it s growing popularity in that form, but your right the die hard PvP people that have been here since early betas when guildwars was nothing BUT PvP have been somewhat disappointed... I guess that was a downside to playing it so much during beta as we did... we got board with the PvE stuff pretty fast... The real action was the PvP and GvG stuff. Now that the best of us have moved on till the next big update, its a little sad... I have reluctantly been trying to play out the PvE from a fresh perspective, since it seems that is what they are focusing more on now. However I too have been playing other games more then guildwars of late...

However I have been seeing a few new random maps in Tomb recently, so maybe that is changing...

sama · Jun 19, 2005, 10:53 AM // 10:53

everyone in karma is playing bf2...well those who have new enough vid cards. they actually have user stats, replays, observer mode, and other stuff you would normally find in a competitive game. oh it has a bigger pvp player base than guild wars by like 10000x (cuz rumor has it that pvp'ers in gw are in the minority).

anywayz, here's some interesting numbers:

http://www.xfire.com/xf/index.php

Minutes played:

World of Warcraft 710690
Counter-Strike Source 391664
Battlefield 2 Demo 348656
Guild Wars 214329

well, not trying to pull ppl away from bf2, just trying to show that ppl already left and possible reasons why.

Ninna · Jun 19, 2005, 11:37 AM // 11:37

if you dont like the game
- please move on and find a game you DO like

Anet is striving to please both the PvP and PvE crowds

cup-o-noodles · Jun 19, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Well, I've only just started playing this game. And I don't have any experiance in PvP, but I've kinda noticed somthing. Everyone rants about how good the PvP WAS in beta and in the earlyer days. So how are they going to fix somthing that's already(or was) really good. I mean in the early days people were probly raving about how great the PvP was. So as a dev you're not going to focuse on fixing somthing good. If you made a game and someone said "Oh man this part of the game is so freaking awsome, but the other part is kinda boring", are you gonna say"Oh crap they think such and such is good, we need to fix it."? But rather then rant on and on about how it USED to be great, why don't you give examples on how it could improve, or what it's lacking now that it had before.

Terminal · Jun 19, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

The problem with threads like this is the indulgence in opinion without even a shard of reason.

Sorry, tabloid opinions don't count.

I'm not part of the collective of the apparent holy grail of an alpha or beta testers, but I quite enjoy the PvP in this game. And for the last 2 years in MMO gaming i've done nothing but PvP. So you can't really pull the "enjoys cause he doesnt get it" tag on me hombres.

My name is Terminal and I endorse this message.

Mormegil · Jun 19, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Oh no, please not another elitist thread on "how things were in the past", on "how the beta was great" and so on. Yes, Battlefield 2 is out, so what? In fall Call of Duty 2 will be out, it will beat the crap out of Battlefield as the first CoD did, and some people will play CoD2 instead of GW.

If they really like GW they'll come back, otherwise they won't. I see nothing wrong in that. There is an hilarious contradiction in actually taking the time to post a rant on Guild Wars Guru forums and stating you're sick of the game.

That makes you more fan-boy than be, that's sure.

Ninna · Jun 19, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

unless you want to make this into yet another UnlockAllSkills debate
(which has been beaten to death

)

heres an example of something coming this summer, that is solely for PvP
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cf...00,49697 2953

Quote:

summer tournament season. Details are yet to come, but players can enter PvP tournaments, that will eventually whittle it down to a final group. The finalists will get trips to exotic locations and the winners will also receive cash prizes.

With the planned addition of an observer mode, this tournament promises to be a lot of fun for fans of the game and fast paced action as well as those who are actually lucky enough to make it deep.

Anet has made capturing Elite skills easier
- benefitting both PvP and PvE

just because the PvP *isnt like beta* (with UAS) doesnt mean Anet is not making game changes to help improve PvP

DrSLUGFly · Jun 19, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by snipes

PLZ dont flame but just take my following statement in and think about it. If you disagree with me play for another month or two and then reply to my post.

I haven't been playing since beta, but I'm pretty hooked. Since I play mostly PvE I can't comment on your feelings but I don't think you should apologize since you spoke reasonably and intelligently. I don't know how many threads we've seen where the gist was "omfg!!! if something doesn't change soon I'm selling my cd!"...

After a month I'm still enjoying the game... 2? 3? we'll see. for a 50 dollar investment a few months of fanatical addiction isn't so bad.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2005, 01:21 PM // 13:21

People try new stuff as it is released? People who've played guild wars for, like, 4 months, are starting to tire?

Amazing. Imagine that. What is the world coming to. Etc.

As for me I completely agree with DrSLUGFly: I've got my moneys worth, in spades, from this game, and I'm still playing (after almost 2 months).

That said... In my ideal world, GW2, whenever that is released, would have FPS like combat. You know, strictly first person view, actually have to *aim* your weapons and spells manually...

Counterstrike: Fantasy, basically.

But I guess that's just me.

sama · Jun 19, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

many of the responses to threads like this is "oh well, i played 2-3 months and i got my $50 worth."

I suppose ppl don't care whether or not guild wars stays around for 2-3 years. the only way to do that is to continually please the player base enough so that they keep buying expansions. i haven't met one pvp player that will be buying an expansion. or perhaps i spend too much time with my "elitist" pvp crowd who just so happen to know this game better than most. the way i see it, why don't you give pvp'ers more content, especially when it won't change anything about pve. that way you can make more money, which i believe is what any business would want.

well according to certain private forums, more changes will be coming for the pvp community in two patches or less. i still dunno if anet has a full understanding of all the underlying pvp problems though. we'll see...

Adaria · Jun 19, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I like the choice of third person or first person views. Because first person really sucks when being surrounded by a mob, and I rather enjoy not having to focus so much on aim as I do what skills to use in what order to reserve energy.

BF2 from what I see, is alot more complicated than it used to be, now its even harder to hit someone due to acutal gun movement. Dad is a huge BF fan, and has already pre-ordered it...

I'm more into GW, and so far I'm happy with what ANet is doing. I WAS in the Beta Testing and things have changed, but I see it all for the better. I'm just a casual player, PVE and PVP when I feel like it. I haven't any complaints other than the hardcore PvP/PvE complaining about the game. Simple, instead of whining about it, find something more constructive and give the Devs ideas on how to cater to your needs like they have slowly been trying to do for all of you whiney players.

Don't try turning GW into a game that already exists, that just doesn't work. You like another game better than GW, you don't turn it into it, you go play that game instead of complaining about how GW lacks this, that or another.

Very simple logic, and pure common sense, you burn out on a game, you go to another for awhile, come back later and your view may have changed.

Syno · Jun 19, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I thoroughly enjoy GW and I love BF2 as well. I have never liked either of these types of games before, but both of them are quite nice to me!

A free web-based wargame you can play from anywhere!

Snowman · Jun 19, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

I havnt got our guild into the full swing of PVP yet, just going through PVE first because this gets everyone used to how the skills work.

I detest any kind of war time games.. the same guns, the same tanks.. just different graphics.. I prefer fantasy and Sci-fi to real life any day.. fantasy requires the imagination to invent new worlds.. cant beat it

so NO battlefield or CoD for me.. no matter how good it is.

So I cant really agree or disagree about the PVP scene.. and I suspect that a great many guilds are still trying to work them selfs up to being competant players rather than suffer humiliating defeats in PVP.

As for A-Net, well.. as has been said, they have concentrated on the part of the game which nearly all NEW PLAYERS will encounter first. This makes perfect sense, because if the new players dont take.. then there wont be new guilds for the PVP scene.

I am looking forward to when A-net move their eye back to PVP however, I need assistance in convincing our new players to start playing PVP.

My suggestion would be a better reward system..

introduce a new kind of currency.. ghostly gold, you gain this gold through certain kinds of victory in PVP.

This 'PVP gold' can be used to purchase a whole host of new looking armour, weapons, dye colours, capes, hair styles, and alcohol.

This would surley get the whole community buzzing with PVP

they already go mad over 'unique looking but no better than normal' stuff.

The Snowman.

Adaria · Jun 19, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Wouldn't that somewhat seem rather unfair for those that just play PvE? Don't we deserve the hairstyles, new dyes, armor and weapons too?

Just a thought...

Instead of these things, what about it being used to unlock skills and runes the PvP people feel they MUST grind for?

Celestial Harmony · Jun 19, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

My suggestion would be a better reward system..

introduce a new kind of currency.. ghostly gold, you gain this gold through certain kinds of victory in PVP.

This 'PVP gold' can be used to purchase a whole host of new looking armour, weapons, dye colours, capes, hair styles, and alcohol.

This would surley get the whole community buzzing with PVP

they already go mad over 'unique looking but no better than normal' stuff.

The Snowman.

Agreed.

Currently I see no point in PVPing although i have nothing against it and go there when PVE gets boring. But am I correct in saying that there is currently no point whatsoever in playing PVP other than the GvG ladder, what does fame actually do anyway other than unlock emotes?

I think it would be good if there were special armors, dye-colors, areas of the map, rare stuff etc that could ONLY be unlocked in PvP, its fair given how runes and upg components can only be unlocked un PvE currently.

Snowman · Jun 19, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adaria

Wouldn't that somewhat seem rather unfair for those that just play PvE? Don't we deserve the hairstyles, new dyes, armor and weapons too?

LOL.... are you not interested in the alcohol??

..

but no, I dont think it would be unfair.. the idea is to reward those who help in building the PVP community.

Besides, nothing stopping PVE'ers trading their hoards of treasure for the ghostly gold..after all, the only way PVP'ers get their riches is mainly from selling Sigils.. the PVE peep would in turn be rewarded for his efforts in PVE by having something decent to spend his money on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adaria

Just a thought...

Instead of these things, what about it being used to unlock skills and runes the PvP people feel they MUST grind for?

Its a good thought.. and my idea isnt refined, I was just thinking of ways to attract more people to PVP.

Your thought only really rewards the person who is already playing PVP.

I dont think unlocking runes is the reason why people stick with PVE. To me ( a PVE'er ) unlocking runes is just a nice little bonus.. something to make money from, doesnt make me wanna stop what Im doing and make a new PVP character.

anyone think I should make a new thread about this idea?

The Snowman

snipes · Jun 19, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Its not like the people leaving disliked the game. Most of them loved the game, the game is great, but after a month or two tombs isn't competitive, GvG is terribly uncompetitive. They left the game bored with it, but still liking it. Odd huh. Well any PvPers here flaming will agree with me in about a month or two. You will see that PvP lacks so much; its not jsut the grind. There is a lot more the game is lacking. I can live with the annoying grind. Keep the grind, well ok, but make PvP more fun more competitive.

I'm just surprised that A.net hasn't been listening to people on this issue.

Snowman · Jun 19, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Your right, its not about liking or disliking the game.

Its not just PVP though, I know loads of people who love the game but left due to bordom, and they never touched PVP.

I do agree though that the game does lack..well, I dont know.. its just lacking, as you say

But in fairness though.. A-net do have to look at the whole picture, at the moment they are concentrating on attracting new players.. so they are trying to tidy up their front garden, the back garden doesnt look bad and does need work, maybe when they have more people in their house they will get the diggers out.

They have a good a good PVP system.. but as you say they do need to make it more fun.

I'm not sure A.net 'hasn't been listening' a few months is a long time.. I think they are just taking one issue at a time.

Snowman.

Nokomis · Jun 19, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Your right, its not about liking or disliking the game.

Its not just PVP though, I know loads of people who love the game but left due to bordom, and they never touched PVP.

I do agree though that the game does lack..well, I dont know.. its just lacking, as you say

But in fairness though.. A-net do have to look at the whole picture, at the moment they are concentrating on attracting new players.. so they are trying to tidy up their front garden, the back garden doesnt look bad and does need work, maybe when they have more people in their house they will get the diggers out.

They have a good a good PVP system.. but as you say they do need to make it more fun.

I'm not sure A.net 'hasn't been listening' a few months is a long time.. I think they are just taking one issue at a time.

Snowman.

Maybe this will expose me as not a TRUE hardcore gamer, lol, but I don't stick with MOST games for more than four months. Thinking back over my eons of gaming, I can only think of a few games that I have stuck with over a long period of time: 1. Civilization (all versions) 2. Champions of Norrath PS2 3. An old football game I was addicted to on the Sega Genesis System 4. The Sims (go ahead..laugh) 5. The gold box AD&D games (really all one game, lol)

The truth is I buy a game and I play it a LOT for awhile and then I get bored and move on. I do sometimes come back to the best games . . .every once in awhile I get the urge to design a rollercoaster or play poker or shoot things in FPS mode. But mostly I look for the next good game.

So I am not at all surprised that people are moving on from GW, especially those who played it in beta. I don't even think it is a commentary on the game. It is more a commentary on US.....we want the next big thing.

Just my two cents. Gotta go. Suddenly feel the urge to play an old game. :-)

--Nokomis